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Those Pesky Pedobaptists

I decided to have the good taste to wait until after Holy Week to respond to the North American Anglican’s two posts on this subject: Lee Nelson’s Credobaptism and Anglicanism and Alexander Wilgus’ The Baptist Sacrament. Both of these were in response to Matthew Joss’ The Case for Baptist Anglicans. Evidently this eminent site could not wait until Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ rose from the dead (liturgically) to torpedo Joss’ thesis. Additionally it’s worth noting that, back in the Roman Empire church, Holy Saturday was the time to baptise and chrismate the adult catechumens that had completed their final catechism in the preceding Lent. (I have an entire series of Cyril of Jerusalem’s lectures on the subject if you’re interested.)
My position on this subject is in my post Why I Support the Idea of Believers’ Baptism and I’ll leave it to those of you who wish to take the time to respond to it. My objective here is to say some of the things that neither Nelson or Wilgus explicitly spelled out but which are necessary to get a complete picture.
Let’s start with Wilgus’ piece. He makes the following statement regarding the Baptists’ substitution of sacramental baptism with the public profession of faith:
Unlike a confession of belief (such as in Romans 10:9‒10), once universally understood to be the prerequisite in order to participate in the main event of baptism, the Public Profession is something else altogether: a super-sacrament that purports to contain within itself all of the graces that the Church once promised were dispensed by the sacraments of the gospel. Moreover, it even results in a revision of the meaning of grace in order to turn entirely on the internal disposition of the believer, rather than the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Even with his Baptistic erudition on display, Wilgus leaves out one important fact: historically Baptists in this country have believed in unconditional eternal security (“once saved always saved”) even when they preach a more Arminian view of election. With the profession of faith you’re on your way to heaven and that’s it. To put it mildly the concept blows the doors off of any sacramental benefit that the pedobaptists usually come up with, and if it were true (which it isn’t) it would put everyone else on the backfoot. Even with the infiltration of TULIP Calvinists into the Anglican world, it is doubtful that many of these would associate election and perseverance simply with baptism.
Rather than dickering with this topic, the Anglican world would do far better to root out “once saved always saved” from its Baptistic converts than to make a big stink out of baptism. I discuss this problem in my post I Wonder…How Many of these ACNA Exvangelicals Still Believe in Eternal Security? But you hardly ever see any Anglican divines deal with this.
Turning to Nelson’s piece, I think the best way to deal with his argument is to point out the basic weakness of the Anglican position regarding baptism. The best way to do this is to look at the traditional Roman Catholic position on the subject, the one that the English Reformation had to deal with one way or another.
Roman Catholic theology traditionally posited the primary purpose of baptism was to wash away original sin, which everyone is born with. Failure to do so resulted in an infant ending up in Limbo, not Paradise, which is why Roman Catholics were so solicitous in baptising people as soon as they were born (so they would end up in Paradise.) The concept of Limbo wasn’t the most scriptural idea they ever came up with, but it made logical sense and was internally consistent. The Church had a follow-up with First Communion, Confirmation, initiating their children in the Sacraments, and the Catholic education, which traditionally made dislodging people from Roman Catholicism a difficult business.
Once the Protestant Church of England decided to dispense with Limbo but not Original Sin, they were left with questions. Where do unbaptised babies go? Do they end up in Hell? Or are they not held accountable for their original sin until they are baptised? Article XXVII, which Nelson quotes, dodges these questions with its swelling rhetoric:
Baptism is not only a sign of profession, and mark of difference, whereby Christian men are discerned from others that be not christened, but it is also a sign of Regeneration or New-Birth, whereby, as by an instrument, they that receive Baptism rightly are grafted into the Church; the promises of the forgiveness of sin, and of our adoption to be the sons of God by the Holy Ghost, are visibly signed and sealed, Faith is confirmed, and Grace increased by virtue of prayer unto God.
When Roman Catholicism itself decided to dispense with Limbo after Vatican II, it too adopted swelling rhetoric about baptism, the baptised and the community of faith it’s supposed to create. The Episcopal Church, not to be outdone, used baptism as an excuse to dispense with Confirmation as a prerequisite to the Holy Communion, and of course came up with the infamous Baptismal Covenant: The Contract on the Episcopalians. All of this, however, dodges the key point: at the core of the whole concept of Baptismal Regeneration is the washing away of original sin. (Neither of the NAA articles even mention that topic.) What’s replaced that is part of a trend that evidently antedates our own time–the shift of emphasis from the eternal benefit to the temporal benefit. With a rite such as baptism, which is supposed to be done but once, it’s fair to focus on the eternal benefit rather than the temporal one.
And there’s something else worth noting. In his book The Social Sources of Denominationalism, Richard Niebuhr makes a distinction between churches (such as the RCC, Episcopal, Lutheran, Presbyterian, etc.) and the sects (Baptists, Holiness, etc.) Almost without exception the former practice pedobaptism and the latter credobaptism. (The Methodists, with their composite origins, complicate everything.) The former are generally the descendants of the state religions of old Europe, and the state mentality applies: you’re born into a country, you’re born into a religion, you’re born into a church, the initiation should be early. (Remember that we had baptismal records before birth certificates, a practice which presumes pedobaptism.) This mentality on the state side is parodied by Gilbert and Sullivan, doubtless mindful that many former inhabitants of the British Isles had filled two continents with those who wanted or had to leave:
One almost senses that a nice 1940 Hymnal “Amen” would round it out… The problem with this idea is that it breeds complacency. People are simply assumed to be “sealed” into their church, which makes churches vulnerable to being buffeted the way they have during the last half century and more. Many get to the point where they no longer remain Episcopalians or Presbyterians or whatever. The Anglican world has suffered much with this, and unless they figure out how to break the cycle (which I describe in Squaring the Circle of Anglican/Episcopal Ministry) decline with happen sooner or later.
In fairness it’s not always that way with pedobaptist churches. A glaring exception are Middle Eastern churches, as I noted in The Evangelical Comeuppance in the Middle East. But American churches are going to have to deal with a hostile environment more effectively than they’ve heretofore shown evidence.
It’s probably fair to say that, in spite of the inroads credobaptists have made into the ACNA, that institution will remain predominantly pedobaptistic. Matthew Joss, whose article detonated this controversy, tells us that “I’m not aware of anyone being disciplined or removed for lack of baptizing their infant.” But there’s a first time for everything. I have conservative Episcopalian friends whose foray into the ACNA was ended by what the husband (a retired judge) called a “snot-nosed” rector who objected to something they were doing. I’m sure there’s a Diotrephes or two out there who will exercise their authority on this issue and many more.
In the meanwhile, I think we would do well to dig into the base issues rather than simply bandy authority about.
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For Some Reason, Our Wheelhouse is Interesting

As is probably the case with most website/blog maintainers, the statistics get checked on a fairly regular basis. One of the driest pages on the site (although some of you will argue there are drier) is Terms and Conditions of this Website, Privacy Policy and Information About Endorsements. It’s one of those things you just about have to have on a website but very few people find it interesting. Except here, for some reason: since the first of the year it’s been popular on the site.
Perhaps it’s because I referred to it in The “Leaky” Church of God Marches On, about a site that likes to copy other people’s stuff, frequently without acknowledgement. But perhaps there’s another reason. Most of us have heard the term “in our wheelhouse,” and that page features a picture of one. We’ve reproduced it at the top of this post. It is a photo of the bridge of the last yacht we owned, the Goldengirl, shown below.

At one time the photo of the yacht–taken outside of Palm Beach Inlet–was the masthead for the site, back in the days of image maps and a static site. Those days are pretty much gone, but “old salts” will also note that many of the items in our “wheelhouse” photo (it’s really the bridge) are things of the past too, such as the clock and barometer set (with its wind-up clock) and the air driven screen wipers.
The Goldengirl has long been featured in the post Safe in the Harbour (Barely!), the time when we found ourselves in a literal storm and then almost moroned in the Straits of Florida with one key component in the bridge (the ship’s wheel) useless to guide the ship.
As Holy Week is about to begin, all of our readers need to realise that without God’s protection and direction, all of us can find ourselves buffeted by the storms of life without the ability to end up safely in the harbour.
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God’s Answer to Overthinking–The Christian Tech-Nerd
If there’s one thing that frequently drives me crazy in my teaching engineering students, it’s their tendency to overthink problems and get lost in the process. This is good advice.
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Lent 2024 Series: I Am the Bread of Life: How Do We Celebrate the Eucharist?

The previous video in this series (there are only two) is found at the link Lent 2024 Series: I Am The Bread of Life: What Is the Eucharist? In posting this originally I neglected to included the video; my apologies for any inconvenience.
The second in two sessions on this topic. In this video we explore the proper celebration on the Eucharist, including whether it needs to be liturgical or not, and a review of the liturgy of the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, which is a traditional Anglican liturgy.
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Lent 2024 Series: I Am The Bread of Life: What Is the Eucharist?

A series for Lent 2024 in two parts:
- What is the Eucharist? (this video)
- How Do We Celebrate the Eucharist? (next video)
Eucharistic theology and practice have long been a favourite topic of mine, from posts like Bill Clinton’s Eucharistic Theology: It Depends on What ‘Is’ Is to Don’t Tell People to “Come to the Table” Unless They Really Do–Or Should to Intiction: “I Don’t Think You Can Do That”. This puts some of that together–with new material–in a two-part video series.
It was my original intention to do this live at my church, the North Cleveland Church of God, but after the difficulties I ran into in putting on the last series, I decided to do this virtually. Feel free to leave your comments either here or on the YouTube videos themselves.
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The Issues of the Role of the Laity and WO are Really Tied Together
I recently replied to Chris Findley’s article with the post The Inconvenient Truth About the Nature of the Priesthood. One of the respondents to this pointed out a statement from the ACNA bishops as follows:
As a College of Bishops, we confess that our Province has failed to affirm adequately the ministry of all Christians as the basic agents of the work of the Gospel. We have not effectively discipled and equipped all Christians, male and especially female, lay and ordained, to fulfill their callings and ministries in the work of God’s kingdom. We repent of this and commit to work earnestly toward a far greater release of the whole Church to her God-given mission.
As someone who worked in lay ministries at a denominational level for more than a decade, I have pointed out that the issue of WO and that of empowering, equipping and sending the laity forth to due the work of the Gospel as God intended them to are tied together. Many people who advocate for WO shy away from making this connection because they implicitly fear that advancing lay ministries of all kinds will dilute the urgency of WO. But that doesn’t change the reality: a church that throttles the laity will, sooner rather than later, have to deal with all of those who conclude that they can never fulfil God’s plan for them as a lay person.
The concept of the priesthood that Findley set forth and which excludes women from that vocation also does the same thing for the laity. The inert laity of Roman Catholicism was supposed to be activated with Vatican II, but that too is an unfulfilled promise. The ACNA and other Anglican bodies have learned little from this experience. But, in all fairness, personal experience tells me that it doesn’t take such a theory to effectively sideline lay involvement in the way envisioned by the New Testament. It is the great failure of contemporary Christianity, and sooner or later we will all have to deal with its consequences.
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The “Leaky” Church of God Marches On
With all the recent excitement over Calvin Robinson and WO, something has come to my attention: the existence of another Church of God related site that has been using my material. Back in the day (2000-2010) we could speak of an “Anglican Blogosphere” which was instrumental in forming the ACNA. The Church of God was a little late to the party but in the last years of the decade we had the “Missional Movement” which resulted in the “tithe on tithe” cuts that ended my career in the International Offices. We also had sites like Actscelerate, which contributed greatly to that event as well.
Since then most of our “voices” have migrated to social media, something which I’ve always been wary of since once you put something on social media it’s really theirs to copy and/or dispose of. But there are a few holdouts (like this one) in the open internet. In the past I’ve noted ourCOG, which not only has used my material but also had posted things that I’ve commented on. This post, with its strange title, is indicative of this place: cogleaks. So just what are these people leaking?
Let me state at the outset that the Church of God isn’t the most transparent organisation I’ve ever been associated with. It is centralised in a way that rivals Roman Catholicism, and has a long heritage of pastors being the “boss man” of their churches. (Their members, many of which worked in the mills, mines and factories that were a part of our once-great industrial base, were to a point congenial to that kind of hierarchy.) That ethic works up the “food chain” through the state offices to the International Office and the Executive Committee. The result of this is twofold. The first is that it engenders distrust between the “layers” of the system, something that was documented twenty years ago in the “Bowers Report,” and that distrust certainly hindered the efforts of my department–Lay Ministries–to disseminate and promote men’s ministries and personal evangelism. The second is that it encourages, intentionally or not, holding back information about the business of the church. Hence, anything that comes out is assumed to have been “leaked,” whether that be a fair characterisation or not.
It is in that context that we need to understand sites such as ourCOG and now cogleaks. The latter first posted in 2007, so it’s been out there for a long time. Most of the time it takes material from other places and reposts it. This site has been a source for a long time; the first “repost” from this site was in 2016. Many of the posts are without attribution of any kind, which (as I also pointed out to ourCOG) is a violation of the Terms and Conditions of this Website, Privacy Policy and Information About Endorsements. Nevertheless it tells me that this site has some admirers out there; considering the Church of God has never been the central focus of this site, that’s gratifying.
So what kind of site is cogleaks? Like this one and our COG, it’s a WordPress blog. It’s theme is like nothing else I’ve seen; it has a black background with green, fixed-pitch font Letter Gothic typeset. I think that’s supposed to mean that it comes from a very “dark web” type of source, but for someone who actually got work done with that kind of screen in front of him, in its own way it’s very cool and retro. The downside is that it’s hard to find anything on the site; there is no search box, no category list, no timeline list, nothing. I suppose that the author figures people will find this site via the search engines, but my experience here is that search engines are an on again, off again proposition. The articles come from a wide variety of sources and cover a wide variety of topics, most of which centre on our church’s hierarchy.
So who is behind this long-term effort? The posts themselves drop a few bread crumbs, and even though the site is technically anonymous there are two things which point to a possible author, or at least to where he or she comes from. The first is that many of the posts concern things in South Florida, so I’m thinking the person behind cogleaks is a South Floridian. That’s congenial for me because I’m one too and so is Travis Johnson, a major mover behind the “Missional Revolt” and currently embroiled in a dispute with a Lee University faculty member (who has brought charges of conduct unbecoming of a minister against him.) South Floridians are a unique bunch; whether it’s Glenn Greenwald or Travis or the webmaster of cogleaks or myself, we’re not much on “playing up” to the leadership.
The second thing can be seen in many of the posts on cogleaks but for me one thing stands out: the reposting of my 2015 piece What Working for the Church of God Taught Me About Race. I’ve reposted this on social media (and elsewhere) many times and the universal response from our church people is…crickets. The Scots-Irish “core” of this church–left, right and centre–doesn’t really want to deal with the issues I bring up in this post. This and other things lead me to believe that the person behind cogleaks is outside of this “core,” which would be a refreshing addition to our church’s conversation.
If there’s one thing that bothers me about cogleaks, it’s the “axe-grinding” I read on the site. That’s not unique to cogleaks, but I’ve tried to avoid that in my years online. Some would say that cogleaks’ anonymity makes that possible, but I’ve seen plenty of that with people who are quite open about who they are and were they’ve been. Generally speaking it’s indicative of a lack of due process (perceived or actual) in whatever system they’ve found themselves in, be that the Church of God, Catholic Charismatic covenant communities, or what not. A more open, transparent system would mute a great deal of that.
This year is going to be a crucial one for our church. We have three Executive Committee positions open and of course our ministers can certainly not nominate the other two. The last General Assembly saw a great deal of online organisation which drove our discussions. We have the shadowy “Atlanta Group” with their idea of who should run the church and how it should be done. (Declaration to same group: if you’re a successor to the “Think Younger” movement of the last decade, you need to take heed to what I told them back then in my post My Response to “Think Younger” and the Church of God General Assembly.) We are in a culture whose lurch to the left is not leaving us unaffected. Traditionally the doctrinal and practical homogeneity of our church has made many of our clashes personal disputes played out on a grand stage, but the possibility of the substantive issues being thrown in with personality clashes isn’t an encouraging one.
Our church needs “voices” who love our church (I do, but sometimes it drives me crazy) and who want to advance the mission that God put it on the earth to fulfil. Let us move forward to speak the truth in love, not just as an expression but as a reality. I welcome cogleaks as another one of those and hope to interact on a fruitful basis.
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The Inconvenient Truth About the Nature of the Priesthood
Chris Findley goes at it again in his opposition to women in the “priesthood”:
There are few topics in the church today that are bound to stir up more impassioned arguments than that of women and the priesthood. Undoubtedly there are good people on both sides of this debate. Surely, there is a love for Jesus and his church among those who both call for acceptance of this practice and those who call for rejection of the same. Sometimes these debates become heated and insulting and that is to our shame.
What should be at the center of any debate on the matter, particularly based on the Anglican’s own formularies, must be Scripture. Second to this, careful consideration must be given to the saints who have gone before us, that “great cloud of witnesses” who have cared for the church in past generations. Everything else, including our feelings or social convention must give way to the Bible itself and its historical exegetical practice.
I’ve dealt with this topic before. Before we even get to WO, the first thing we need to deal with is the nature of the priesthood itself, which Findley assumes more than he explains. I dealt with both almost five years ago in my post The Problem Overlooked in the McGowin-Nelson-Johnson Debate Over Women’s Ordination, from which the following is taken:
…at the risk of oversimplification, Nelson and Johnson state that, since Christ was male, it is necessary for a male to represent him at the altar, thus women cannot do this task. This is familiar to any one who has moved in the Roman Catholic world. The problem with this is that it presupposes an unbiblical ecclesiology. It requires that the celebrant, as a priest, represent Christ at the altar, and thus be empowered to effect the transformation of the elements as Our Lord did at the Last Supper and Paul enjoined us to continue in the Eucharist. That in turn leads to the whole concept of the Mass as a present sacrifice, which I deal with elsewhere.
At the risk of being repetitious and otiose, let me remind my readers of the following:
Again, new Levitical priests are continually being appointed, because death prevents their remaining in office; but Jesus remains for all time, and therefore the priesthood that he holds is never liable to pass to another. And that is why he is able to save perfectly those who come to God through him, living for ever, as he does, to intercede of their behalf. This was the High Priest that we needed–holy, innocent, spotless, withdrawn from sinners, exalted above the highest Heaven, one who has no need to offer sacrifices daily as those High Priests have, first for their own sins, and then for those of the People. For this he did once and for all, when he offered himself as the sacrifice. The Law appoints as High Priests men who are liable to infirmity, but the words of God’s oath, which was later than the Law, name the Son as, for all time, the perfect Priest. (Hebrews 7:23-28 TCNT)
We don’t need a priest representing God any more. We have one perfect priest, Jesus Christ. We may appoint someone to represent us before him when we gather together, but Our Lord needs neither representative nor substitute. I’ve debated this subject in the past and you can read that here and here.
Once that is posited, Nelson’s and Johnson’s case collapses. That doesn’t entirely solve the issue, and it brings another one to light: the whole nature of the church. When the ACNA was started I noted that there were two major issues of division that remained unresolved: WO (this one) and the Reformed-Anglo-Catholic divide. The two are related; McGowin actually touches on this issue in her response but doesn’t really pursue it. In American feminism the custom is to superimpose postmodern ideas of equality on existing structures without considering the merits of those structures to start with, and the result is cognitive dissonance. The same problem applies to same-sex civil marriage: it never occurred to anyone to debate whether civil marriage was working for heterosexuals before extending the franchise to same-sex couples.
It is ironic that Findley quotes Hebrews, where the true nature of the priesthood under Christ is discussed. But, since we live down the road from each other, we can discuss this issue more thoroughly if he likes.
Another note: my title is taken from another Tennessean, Al Gore. The thing that Al Gore and others have never done is to really solve the problems he set forth, and the thing that should have been done a quarter century ago is to re-initiate the broad-based implementation of carbon-free nuclear power. But these days we are better at lamenting at our sad state or ginning up movements than we are at solving our problems.
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Losing Seasons — Northern Plains Anglican
My sermon for the Last Sunday of Epiphany, 2024. Delivered at Church of the Resurrection, Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Lectionary Year B I …
Losing Seasons
