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Latter Rain Christian Coffeehouse
Instead of an album from the “Jesus Music” era, this entry is a little different: a live recording of the Latter Rain Christian Coffeehouse in Garland Texas in July, 1977. Located in downtown Garland, the Latter Rain was active through most of that year.
As opposed to the other coffeehouse recording I offer here, I’ve decided to present the entire recording in one track. That will give you a better flavour of what it was like to be in a Christian coffeehouse like this one. It’s probably too much to say that it was “typical” (and that’s not a really informative term either) but here it is, with teaching as well. As was also the case with this, the recording was room ambient and not off of the board, which means that the room reverberation is there, although my equipment had improved in the two years that separated the sessions.

The tape recorder used to record the Latter Rain: a Tandberg TCD-310, with factory microphones. The Latter Rain’s musicians were skilful, tending to a more folksy style somewhat reminiscent of this but with a more distinctively Texas influence.
The Latter Rain Christian Coffeehouse:
- Archie and Cindy Lowe
- Todd and Terri Groo
- Mike and Luba Goolsby
- Tim and Margaret LaPrade
The songs are a mix of original compositions and covers; some of them are:
- This is the Day (Psalm 118)
- There Was Jesus
- These Are the Last Days
- I’ve Got the Lord on My Side
- Weeds
- Over There
- Since I Met Jesus
- Selah
- Ballad of Luke Warm
- The Second Coming Sunset
The subsequent history of the Latter Rain, and of Archie and Sindy Lowe, can be seen in this post.
I am indebted to Jen Lowe, Archie and Sindy’s daughter, for encouraging me to get this posted. It’s one of those things I have wanted to do for a long time but just haven’t gotten to it until now.
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Victoria Osteen's Moment, or "What Are We Doing Here Anyway?"
It’s another week along the Southwest Freeway in Houston as Victoria Osteen has embroiled herself in a controversy over remarks about why we worship God. The usual people say the usual things, and the usual fracas ensues, just as it has over much of what her husband Joel says.
I think we’d be better off, rather than attacking her for the falsity of her statement, looking at the truth content of what she said. That truth content speaks as much for the current state of American evangelicalism and Full Gospel Christianity as it does for her own idea.
To start with, strictly speaking God really doesn’t need our worship. In fact, he really doesn’t need us. God’s self-sufficiency is at the core of the Judeo-Christian concept of God. Consider that oft-quoted verse, John 3:16: God didn’t have to save us, or even help us, but out of love he did. Evangelicals frequently undermine that with a mentality of “If we don’t do ___________, the world will end” (or conversely “If we don’t do ____________, the world will not end” in our creeping postmillenialism.) We may be under necessity; God is not.
Second, there is always this contingent in Christianity who can’t stand the idea of someone being happy. I’ve discussed this in the context of the sign of peace at Mass, Islam and that obsessively happy Frenchman, Bossuet. Mohler tells us that happiness cannot bear the weight of the Gospel, but the Gospel can bear the weight of happiness. We must find our happiness in God, and neither Mohler nor the Osteens have got it right on that.
Having said that, it’s certainly correct to accuse her of a weak idea of God-centred worship. But let’s ask ourselves a question as we prepare for our next trip to church as clergy or laity: what are we supposed to be doing on Sunday morning? We call them “worship services” but a little digging will tell us that things are more complicated than that.
The first problem is our definition of “worship,” and things are most complicated with liturgical churches. We use the term “liturgical worship” but the plus of liturgy is that we do a variety of things during one gathering. We have the “liturgy of the Word” which is more instructional than worshipful in nature, and the same can be applied to the homily. We have penitential times. The Eucharist itself is a form of worship but it’s also God ministering to us through the real presence of his Son. So, if properly structured and executed, the liturgy is a tour de force of us meeting God.
Dumping the traditional liturgical structure as the Reformed–and many other–churches do only cuts back on the worshipful aspects of the service. By putting the sermon at the centre of both the service and the pulpit of the church itself, it shifted more of the emphasis to education, instruction and edification. In the hands of the competent, it worked; in the hands of the inept and the heterodox, it didn’t. That may be why Protestantism put so much effort into the splendid hymnody that’s slipping away: it’s the main act of worship in many Protestant services.
Modern Pentecost put worship front and centre into the services. By shifting the emphasis to an experience with God himself, and de-emphasising the content of the sermon, we have the possibility of a wall-to-wall worship. (And, in fact, while attending this, we actually did that for an hour one Sunday night.) Many traditional Pentecostals will remember “no preaching” services fondly; a few churches still experience that.
Unfortunately praise and worship these days, obsession though it is with many pastors and worship leaders, has become more of a production, with a radio-type of model for a new chorus a week, to be learned by a confused congregation. Too much of what we see in churches draws too much of its inspiration from the entertainment industry. What Victoria Osteen says about worship may not sit well with many Christians, but it’s very much the reality in many churches these days.
Mohler also attacks prosperity teaching. While it’s deserved, I think he needs to stop and think that the Southern Baptist Convention worked harder than most to put together a proper, respectable and popular religion, which is prosperity teaching in another form.
Instead of launching a knee-jerk attack on Victoria Osteen, Christians should stop and, during their own worship services, consider this question: “What are we really doing here?” If it’s too much like she describes, it’s time to do something about it.
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The Perils of This Life
From Augustine, City of God, XII, 22:
That the whole human race has been condemned in its first origin, this life itself, if life it is to be called, bears witness by the host of cruel ills with which it is filled. Is not this proved by the profound and dreadful ignorance which produces all the errors that enfold the children of Adam, and from which no man can be delivered without toil, pain, and fear? Is it not proved by his love of so many vain and hurtful things, which produces gnawing cares, disquiet, griefs, fears, wild joys, quarrels, lawsuits, wars, treasons, angers, hatreds, deceit, flattery, fraud, theft, robbery, perfidy, pride, ambition, envy, murders, parricides, cruelty, ferocity, wickedness, luxury, insolence, impudence, shamelessness, fornications, adulteries, incests, and the numberless uncleannesses and unnatural acts of both sexes, which it is shameful so much as to mention; sacrileges, heresies, blasphemies, perjuries, oppression of the innocent, calumnies, plots, falsehoods, false witnessings, unrighteous judgments, violent deeds, plunderings, and whatever similar wickedness has found its way into the lives of men, though it cannot find its way into the conception of pure minds? These are indeed the crimes of wicked men, yet they spring from that root of error and misplaced love which is born with every son of Adam. For who is there that has not observed with what profound ignorance, manifesting itself even in infancy, and with what superfluity of foolish desires, beginning to appear in boyhood, man comes into this life, so that, were he left to live as he pleased, and to do whatever he pleased, he would plunge into all, or certainly into many of those crimes and iniquities which I mentioned, and could not mention?
But because God does not wholly desert those whom He condemns, nor shuts up in His anger His tender mercies, the human race is restrained by law and instruction, which keep guard against the ignorance that besets us, and oppose the assaults of vice, but are themselves full of labor and sorrow. For what mean those multifarious threats which are used to restrain the folly of children? What mean pedagogues, masters, the birch, the strap, the cane, the schooling which Scripture says must be given a child, beating him on the sides lest he wax stubborn, Sirach 30:12 and it be hardly possible or not possible at all to subdue him? Why all these punishments, save to overcome ignorance and bridle evil desires— these evils with which we come into the world? For why is it that we remember with difficulty, and without difficulty forget? Learn with difficulty, and without difficulty remain ignorant? Are diligent with difficulty, and without difficulty are indolent? Does not this show what vitiated nature inclines and tends to by its own weight, and what succor it needs if it is to be delivered? Inactivity, sloth, laziness, negligence, are vices which shun labor, since labor, though useful, is itself a punishment.
But, besides the punishments of childhood, without which there would be no learning of what the parents wish—and the parents rarely wish anything useful to be taught—who can describe, who can conceive the number and severity of the punishments which afflict the human race—pains which are not only the accompaniment of the wickedness of godless men, but are a part of the human condition and the common misery—what fear and what grief are caused by bereavement and mourning, by losses and condemnations, by fraud and falsehood, by false suspicions, and all the crimes and wicked deeds of other men? For at their hands we suffer robbery, captivity, chains, imprisonment, exile, torture, mutilation, loss of sight, the violation of chastity to satisfy the lust of the oppressor, and many other dreadful evils. What numberless casualties threaten our bodies from without—extremes of heat and cold, storms, floods, inundations, lightning, thunder, hail, earthquakes, houses falling; or from the stumbling, or shying, or vice of horses; from countless poisons in fruits, water, air, animals; from the painful or even deadly bites of wild animals; from the madness which a mad dog communicates, so that even the animal which of all others is most gentle and friendly to its own master, becomes an object of intenser fear than a lion or dragon, and the man whom it has by chance infected with this pestilential contagion becomes so rabid, that his parents, wife, children, dread him more than any wild beast! What disasters are suffered by those who travel by land or sea! What man can go out of his own house without being exposed on all hands to unforeseen accidents? Returning home sound in limb, he slips on his own doorstep, breaks his leg, and never recovers. What can seem safer than a man sitting in his chair? Eli the priest fell from his, and broke his neck. How many accidents do farmers, or rather all men, fear that the crops may suffer from the weather, or the soil, or the ravages of destructive animals? Commonly they feel safe when the crops are gathered and housed. Yet, to my certain knowledge, sudden floods have driven the laborers away, and swept the barns clean of the finest harvest. Is innocence enough protection against the various assaults of demons? That no man might think so, even baptized infants, who are certainly unsurpassed in innocence, are sometimes so tormented, that God, who permits it, teaches us hereby to bewail the calamities of this life, and to want the felicity of the life to come. As to bodily diseases, they are so many that they cannot all be contained even in medical books. And in very many, or almost all of them, the cures and remedies are themselves tortures, so that men are delivered from a pain that destroys by a cure that pains. Has not the madness of thirst driven men to drink human urine, and even their own? Has not hunger driven men to eat human flesh, and that the flesh not of bodies found dead, but of bodies slain for the purpose? Have not the fierce pangs of famine driven mothers to eat their own children, incredibly savage as it seems? In fine, sleep itself, which is justly called repose, how little of repose there sometimes is in it when disturbed with dreams and visions; and with what terror is the wretched mind overwhelmed by the appearances of things which are so presented, and which, as it were so stand out before the senses, that we can not distinguish them from realities! How wretchedly do false appearances distract men in certain diseases! With what astonishing variety of appearances are even healthy men sometimes deceived by evil spirits, who produce these delusions for the sake of perplexing the senses of their victims, if they cannot succeed in seducing them to their side!
From this hell upon earth there is no escape, save through the grace of the Saviour Christ, our God and Lord. The very name Jesus shows this, for it means Saviour; and He saves us especially from passing out of this life into a more wretched and eternal state, which is rather a death than a life. For in this life, though holy men and holy pursuits afford us great consolations, yet the blessings which men crave are not invariably bestowed upon them, lest religion should be cultivated for the sake of these temporal advantages, while it ought rather to be cultivated for the sake of that other life from which all evil is excluded. Therefore, also, does grace aid good men in the midst of present calamities, so that they are enabled to endure them with a constancy proportioned to their faith. The world’s sages affirm that philosophy contributes something to this—that philosophy which, according to Cicero, the gods have bestowed in its purity only on a few men. They have never given, he says, nor can ever give, a greater gift to men. So that even those against whom we are disputing have been compelled to acknowledge, in some fashion, that the grace of God is necessary for the acquisition, not, indeed, of any philosophy, but of the true philosophy. And if the true philosophy— this sole support against the miseries of this life— has been given by Heaven only to a few, it sufficiently appears from this that the human race has been condemned to pay this penalty of wretchedness. And as, according to their acknowledgment, no greater gift has been bestowed by God, so it must be believed that it could be given only by that God whom they themselves recognize as greater than all the gods they worship.
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The Complicated Business of the "Tradition"
@DaleMCoulter muses on his students:
The task was not to defend the tributary of Christianity in which my students had first touched the waters of baptism, but to show them that it was fed by a vast river stretching back two millennia. In short, I defended Christianity by helping them swim upstream so that they could discover just how deep and wide Christian Tradition was. Through a confrontation with full-throated Christianity, students had the resources to criticize the stream to which they belonged while also locating that tradition within the great river of Christian Tradition. It was a matter, then, of introducing them to the differences between tradition and Tradition.
As someone who has drawn from several “streams” of Christianity, there’s good news and bad news about this.
The good news is that is works. As Coulter notes, most people are raised on a single track of Christianity. That’s all they see and that’s all they know. Once you see “how the other half lives” (and when you make leaps across the socio-economic and ethnic as well as theological divides in Christianity, that broadens your perspective too) you grasp the greater truth and not just what you’ve been taught.
The bad news is that, once you’ve done this, you’re an ecclesiastical orphan. Denominations and groups have their own idea, and once you’ve taken in other ideas, you’re never really a part. I think that’s one reason there are so many people who go through church dissatisfied. It’s not that they don’t believe, many are quite fervent. It’s just that they’ve experienced other things that they don’t see where they’re at.
How that plays out depends upon what part of Christianity you’re in. Some groups are big on uniformity; you can get in trouble in a hurry. OTOH, in a Pentecostal church, I’m always surprised at the issues I bloviate on (abolition of civil marriage, the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the lack of real authority in the church) that never get a rise.
The key, of course, is to keep the main thing the main thing.
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Gungor and the Perils of the Old Earth
There’s always something going on out there, and in the last couple of weeks one of those somethings has been the flap over the musician Michael Gungor’s post on the age of the earth:
Do I believe God exists? Yes.
Do I believe Jesus is the Son of God? Yes.
Do I believe that Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness? Yes.
Do I believe that God literally drowned every living creature 5,000 years ago in a global flood except the ones who were living in a big boat? No, I don’t.Let me make one stipulation: I’ve never heard his music, or at least knew I had. This isn’t a fan piece. This is a piece of a fellow traveller (to some extent, at least) on a very long voyage in an old universe.
In my very first blog post I made the following observation, obviously in a university setting:
For me, however, as a Christian, an old earth creationist, an adjunct and someone who deals with geological issues in Soil Mechanics, this was a perilous situation. If the evolutionists win, I get the boot over the origin of the universe and being a theist (the evolutionists are for the most part rabid secular humanists.) If the new earth creationists win, I get the boot over the age of the earth. Real academic freedom these days consists of forcing the administration to find really creative ways to give people the boot!
Things haven’t come to a head just yet…but UTC wasn’t the only place where things were perilous. I was also working for the Church of God then. I never made a big deal about being an old-earther, but it did come out from time to time. But they never held it against me, even when it came out in print.
And, I might add, Gungor is in better company than he thinks:
I can’t remember the date, but one day the 700 Club ran a story on Patrick Henry University. One of the things they brought up about this institution was that it required its faculty to sign a statement affirming their belief that the Creation took place in six (Earth) days. When the piece was done, Pat turned to his co-hostess Terry Meeuwsen and asked her whether she could sign such a statement. She relied she could not, to which he answered he couldn’t either. That’s not the only time he has gone on record saying in effect that he is an “old earth creationist” but Richmond, like other capitals, doesn’t pay attention to what’s going on in the “provinces” unless it’s pretty sensational.
I can’t say that Gungor’s analysis is the swiftest treatment of the subject I’ve seen. But we’re not paying him to be a theologian: we’re paying him to be a musician. The basic problem, as I see it, is an endemic one these days: we’re trying to turn religion into a science and science into a religion.
On the first problem, for centuries a “more than literal” hermeneutic was the norm with Biblical studies. And, as Gungor points out in his follow-up piece, the core of people’s faith in the past was God-centred, not book-centred. Since he brought up Augustine, it can be shown that the “literal” (and that term can be equivocal as well) meaning wasn’t the one with priority in the Fathers’ minds.
The first hit that took (in Christianity at least) was the Reformation, although it can be argued that the issue there wasn’t as much how the scriptures were interpreted as to who could do it authoritatively. But the biggest hit to the old way was “modern” Biblical scholarship. It represented trying to apply “scientific” methods to Biblical studies. Without going into a long diatribe of the weaknesses of same, it’s clear that Biblical studies drew the second string of the German intellectual bench.
That succeeded in emptying churches, mostly from the boredom and irrelevance of the message that followed. So now we have the post-modernists, whose message is that the truth content of the scriptures depends on what “construct” they should be interpreted in. But the result is the same: the churches that make such the centrepiece of their message (and you know who you are) are emptying in like manner.
The reaction to this has been modern Fundamentalism, which forces the Scriptures to be interpreted in a very rigid, “scientific” way that is alien to the world they came in. That’s led to the concept that being a Young Earth Creationist is a “deal-breaker” Article of Faith. I’ve even seen this set forth in Anglican circles, which is a surprise for me. But that’s the “tradition” these days, and Gungor has found this out the hard way.
As far as the other problem is concerned, I’ve taken flak for this but I’ll stick with it: making science into a religion, which means that we are to accept what science “says” as articles of faith, makes for bad science. It discourages exploring science in different ways by only allowing people who stick to a certain “orthodoxy” to make those explorations, and that’s a sure road to Lysenkoism.
But our focus is on the opposite problem, and the result is the mirror image. We deserve a better discussion of this issue than what we have seen here. Whether we’ll get it is another matter altogether.
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The Sign of Peace and Those "Happy-Clappy" Masses
Amidst the sorrow and tragedy that dominates the news these days, the Vatican weighs in on a matter that may seem trivial to some:
The Vatican’s Congregation for Divine Worship (CDW) has urged the church’s bishops to crack down on boisterous exchanges of peace during the Eucharist service. In a letter dated 8 June 2014 and approved by Pope Francis the previous day, the CDW asked bishops guide their priests in the proper celebration of the Roman rite and to discourage “familiar and worldly gestures of greeting” which should be substituted with “other, more appropriate gestures.”
First, with due respect (and congrats on his new parish appointment) to my fellow Palm Beacher George Conger, the title of his piece is a little misleading. “Happy-clappy” implies what they do in Charismatic churches with the praise and worship time that is de rigeur these days. Thanks to OCP, there’s not much of that in Roman Catholicism. Their job (in the U.S. at least) is to insure that music to accompany the sacred mysteries is banal and uninspiring, and they’re good at it too.
And a lot of praise and worship music isn’t as happy as you’d like to think. If you want to see where it’s going, just visit a youth group service now and you’ll see what it will be like ten years from now. The system is set up so that what’s in youth group today becomes “from the throne room” in a few years. And a lot of that sound has been baleful, minor key stuff, sounding like a buffalo that has been ineptly shot and waiting for the hapless hunter to finish him off.
But I digress. The issue of happiness, however, is a big one. There is a surprisingly large body of Christians who, while aspiring to the summum bonum that’s around the real throne room, push back at the idea that happiness is what we’re really aiming for, the success of the entertainment and leisure industry notwithstanding.
One major exception to that is the Catholic bishop Jaques-Benigne Bossuet, who made happiness a leitmotif in an age where it was decidedly scarce. At the start of his Meditations on the Gospel he flatly stated that “Man’s chief aim in life is to be happy”. Elsewhere he says that God himself is happy, an idea well supported (if not well noted) in the New Testament. But I guess that’s one reason Mother Church never canonised him and has largely forgotten him.
So what does that have to do with the sign of peace? The Church can whine about “effusive” expressions of the sign of peace all it wants, but if they’re genuine they state two things: the congregants are happy and in fellowship with each other. Penitential needs considered, both of these should characterise Christian gatherings as opposed to, say, those that happen in a mosque. Bossuet is clear that the greatest happiness if found in Jesus Christ; if people can’t find their joy in his church, they’ll find it somewhere else.
That was certainly the case in the years I was at Texas A&M in our Newman Association, where the sign of peace was a highlight at our masses. Growing up with “God’s frozen chosen”, the warm greetings at our Masses (with a more ethnically diverse group, I might add) were a special treat. In those days Roman Catholicism was a pleasure in a way that no form of Christianity has been for me before or since.
But that brings me to the second issue: community. I’ve said many times that Roman Catholicism leans too heavily on the sacramental system to bond its people to God and itself. Today many in the Church wonder how to get parishes past the box-checker mentality. Vatican II was concerned with this issue too. Although there’s a lot to this, discouraging effusive signs of peace at Mass isn’t a very good way to address this issue.
And while we’re thinking about sacraments, the emphasis on formality these days, while seeming to underscore the authority of the church and the validity of the sacraments, actually may undermine both. As I noted years ago:
Anglo-Catholicism always liked a “frillier” form of Christianity, presumably because it looked and felt good and because it helped to drive home the sacredness of what they were doing. Roman Catholicism can certainly do the ceremonial when the occasion calls for it, but the efficacy of the sacraments is driven by the nature of the church, not because of how elaborately the sacred mysteries are celebrated.
I think that the Church needs to think a few things through before they create another institution full of “God’s chosen frozen”.
