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Gene Robinson Travels to Sympathetic Territory
The controversial bishop is taking his message to Nova Southeastern University law school:
While some Episcopal dioceses are discussing breaking away from the church, the controversial bishop is traveling around the world to spread a peaceful and inclusive message.
His next stop — South Florida, where a number of Episcopal leaders have shown their support of Bishop Gene Robinson.
There’s no doubt that the Diocese of Southeast Florida is sympathetic to his idea. But South Florida, with its lack of community, is not so much inclusive as balkanised. The central problem with the whole diversity agenda is that it in fact tends to balkanise society rather than unite it. Community erodes as members of a less and less homogeneous society see themselves as members of their own group first and a part of society second.
South Florida–where "the animals are tame and the people run wild"–has simply been ahead of its time.
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Being Right May Not Be Enough
It’s tempting for me to dismiss Russell Kelly’s last outburst in our back and forth on tithing. But I can’t quite bring myself to do so. The whole encounter has been rather bizzare, given that we both agree on the most important premise: that tithing is an Old Testament concept, not a New Testament one. Let me start by making two important points.
The first is that his charge that "you seem to want to judge me as very narrow minded" is not correct. What I said was that he is "narrow-focused." There’s a difference. I’ve taken the trouble to find Dr. Kelly’s entries on other blogs, and basically he’s a "one-note" (thus the drone analogy) instrument about the falseness of tithing. He’s like a one-issue candidate: he or she may be right about that issue, but if the candidate is elected, he or she will have to deal with the wide variety of matters other than the issue they’re running on. My purpose in the original post (and follow up with him) was to broaden the debate to include the whole spectrum of Christian "prosperity teaching" and stewardship as a two-way street in the church, but he has chosen not to do so. That’s his prerogative, and I’m sorry I offended him in the process, but he has to realise that some of us look at things from a different vantage point than he does.
And that leads to my second important point: although I am Pentecostal in affiliation and ministry employment, my Christian intellectual formation is heavily Roman Catholic in content. That explains my view on the relationship between the Old Testament and the New, and that also explains my conviction (in part; my formative years in Palm Beach were the actual genesis of this) that selling all is the stewardship ideal of the New Testament. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s easy to do or not frought with practical difficulties. But it’s like the Sermon on the Mount; it’s hard to put into practice, but the more of it we do, the better off we and the church are. To its credit, the RCC does more to facilitate this ideal than just about anyone else. But even if we never get to this point–and most of us don’t–the total commitment of our lives and resources is where we want to go in our Christian walk.
That last point, of course, is what Bernie Dehler (my other commenter on the original post) was trying to say, and I agreed with that. But I suspect that Dr. Kelly’s reluctance to face this issue–and, if he did, his job of refuting the tithe enthusiasts would be a lot simpler–is a product of his Baptist/Evangelical formation. Evangelical Christianity has brought the faith to new levels in many ways, but there are certain places where, to put it bluntly, Evangelical Christianity has pandered to the world around it in order to become respectable and accepted. And I’m not thinking about prosperity teaching, which is relavtively new; I’m thinking about issues such as the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the reality of miracles and spiritual gifts and manifestations after the Apostles, and of course the business about selling all. As far as Baptists are concerned, one could throw in the whole business of combining an Arminian view of election with a Calvinistic view of perseverance ("once saved, always saved,") which obviates the whole need for discipleship. My comment that "Dr. Kelly is an adherent of a religious system that is simply too conventional and bourgeois to grasp the basically radical, revolutionary nature of the Gospel" needs to be seen in that light.
Finally, at this point in history, Evangelical Christianity in the US in in a tight place. Out of favour with the country’s elites for at least a century, those elites are very much "on the move" to do it in, and many things that are going on–including Charles Grassley’s grandstanding–are a part of that. My corporate and ministry experience, though, tells me that we need to do more than gripe about "corruption" or ape the world’s social goals (as the Episcopal Church is doing with the UN’s Millennium Development Goals.) We need a constructive plan that works, and one that may be a major departure for American Christianity to boot. Such a plan may put many people out of their comfort zone–including people such as Kelly and Dehler–but the survival of the faith will depend upon it.
When I look at Dr. Kelly’s website and admire the long list of Christian preachers he refutes, a line from the "John Boy and Billy Show" comes to mind: "We like a good fight down here." That’s what I thought when I saw his original comment. But we all need to keep the following in mind:
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12)
Finally, on a more personal note, I make a lot on the site about growing up in Palm Beach, probably too much. (People do find it interesting, though…) My wife, on the other end, grew up in very serious poverty. But she and her family tithed and gave offerings through the whole dearth of resources. They also backed this up with serious Christian living and very tight management of their substance. The blessings we have today are in no small measure a result of that faithful (and comprehensive) stewardship. (Dr. Kelly might argue that being married to me isn’t much of a blessing, and he’s probably right!) People who have the same experience (and there are many) will find Dr. Kelly’s message very offensive, especially his characterisation of tithing as a "lottery," which is one reason I satirised it the way I did. The next reaction he gets may exhibit more anger and pain than mine.
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Once More, With Feeling, on Tithing
Russell Kelly responded via email to my last post on tithing. He had problems with the "math question" (which I will discuss below.) But I will reproduce his email and my response.
You have a lot of verbiage but little concrete content. I am not sure what your postilion is on tithing, but it seems we might actually agree.
The one thing we do agree on is that tithing isn’t taught in the New Testament; it’s an Old Testament concept. That’s probably more important to me than to him. Dr. Kelly has obviously spent a lot of time disagreeing with people who can’t differentiate between real New Testament Christianity and the synthetic Judaism that his opponents have derived from the Old. Perhaps Dr. Kelly can’t either. This is a common fault of American Christianity, but that’s one of those "broad issues" that Dr. Kelly doesn’t deal with. A better source for that is "Spengler" at Asia Times Online.
Personally I tend to categorise those who try to turn Christianity into a "high-speed" form of Judaism as ignorant, which is why I don’t spend a lot of time discussing them. Maybe someday one of them will "call my bluff," and I’ll deal with it then.
Why does the whole message I am typing not show up on your screen without being interrupted? That is weird.
That’s because the "math question" is time limited. Since Dr. Kelly runs a static site, he’s not had to deal with comment spam, which is the rationale behind the question. For long responses (or responses where you’re spending a lot of time thinking about what to say,) the best way is to use a word processor, then cut and paste.
What is your book? What got you into a frenzy about book reviews? I review pro-tithing books if that is what you want and I post Amazon.com reviews of my book on my site. What is so wrong about that?
I’ll take this to mean that Dr. Kelly has declined my challenge.
If you want a dialog I have never backed down and you are seriously underestimating my tenacity by over evaluating your own ability. You just need some way of letting others know you have replied to their post.
I’ve spent this past year in two major "dialogues:" one on this blog with Liam, a gay Californian, on the issue of same-sex civil marriage, and the other with a Salafi Muslim in Indonesia on Islam and Christianity. I can hang tough with the best of them. If Dr. Kelly spent more time using his talents for debates with non-Christians, we’d all be better off.
First, "tithing is a good place to start" is a product of mesmerization and people say it automatically without thinking of their false assumptions. Not everybody in the OT began their giving level at 10% –only farmers and herdsmen inside Israel did that. Therefor it was NOT a standard of giving for everybody.
Dr. Kelly just doesn’t get it–I’m not looking for a legalistic rule, I’m looking for a helpful guide. “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.” Galatians 3:24, 25. However, just because we’ve graduated doesn’t mean we should forget everything we’ve learned.
Second, you wrote The concept of the Jerusalem church was so successful that no other church mentioned in the New Testament emulated it. It‚s dangerous to make an argument from silence, but in this case there needs to be a good reason not to perpetuate the model that the Apostles themselves started in Jerusalem. "
Friend, that is an insane interpretation of Acts 2 and 4. Those early Christians thought that Jesus was coming back very soon. They were not told to sell all but they chose to do so and later regretted it. When the money ran out they had nothing –no homes, no businesses, no food, etc and had to beg for food through Paul for at least a decade when the famine came. and if you read Acts 15 and 21 you will discover that they were still zealous of the law 21:20-21 and most likely still paid whatever tithe they might have to the Temple.
It’s obvious from responses like this that Dr. Kelly is an adherent of a religious system that is simply too conventional and bourgeois to grasp the basically radical, revolutionary nature of the Gospel. The Apostles had just spent three years as Jesus disciples, and they were there when Jesus challenged the rich young ruler. They were the leaders in this community. Without their approval, such a radical step would not have happened. The Apostles felt that this was the way to carry out the Lord’s commands.
In any case, where is it said that "they were not told to sell all?" Don’t the scriptures say the following?
“And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” Acts 2:44-47, KJV.
To his credit, Dr. Kelly does put his finger on one "good reason" why the Jerusalem church wasn’t emulated: the issue of economic viability. But that doesn’t give us an answer on how we must live today.
Christianity is a total commitment: life, mind, heart, soul and possessions. Most laity have to work for a living; they give a third of their time and a larger portion of their energies into making a living. What they give to their church and to the ministries is a part of them. Dr. Kelly can go back and forth all he wants on whether tithing is what is needed, but given the totality of the Christian commitment, 10% is still low except for the destitute (and I dealt with that in the last post as well.) Dr. Kelly dislikes tithing, but what does he propose for an alternative to support the work of the church? A few pence in the offering? Or no offering at all?
Beyond that, the whole issue of Christian stewardship cannot be intelligently discussed without the issue of church polity and governance. But Dr. Kelly ignored my original post’s treatment of this subject, along with many other issues related to stewardship. It used to be that Baptists were very strong on the participation of the membership in the governance of the church, but evidently this has fallen out of fashion even with some of them. Or perhaps he has spent so much time disputing with authoritarians that he has overlooked it.
Or perhaps it’s a matter of focus. In the Harvard Dictionary of Music, one definition of a drone is "(a) primitive bagpipe, capable of playing only a few low tones and used to accompany other instruments or voices." They provide a steady bass line; by themselves, however, it’s a very turgid symphony. That’s the best way to describe Dr. Kelly’s perspective. In the past rigid proof texting might have won the day, but today we deserve better.
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Pickett’s Charge and Tithing
Russell Earl Kelly was quick to respond to my piece The Backlash Against Tithing. But, like our Confederate ancestors at places like Gettysburg, he may have charged without properly assessing what was in front of him.
Let me start by reiterating one important point that Dr. Kelly has obviously missed: I do not say that tithing is a New Testament concept. It isn’t. It’s an Old Testament one. Selling all is the standard of the New Testament, whether we’re talking about the rich young ruler or the Jerusalem church. The fact that American churches–liberal and conservative alike–do not teach this is for two reasons:
- American culture is too bourgeois for selling all. For the moment, at least. That may not last.
- The concept of the Jerusalem church was so successful that no other church mentioned in the New Testament emulated it. It’s dangerous to make an argument from silence, but in this case there needs to be a good reason not to perpetuate the model that the Apostles themselves started in Jerusalem.
That being the case, it remains to discover just what is expected of Christians relative to giving to the church. It should be self-evident that, in the face of the high standard of the New Testament–communal living or not–10% is cheap. Given that, I think that 10% is a reasonable starting guideline. If you have people in the church who are too destitute to pay it, then it’s the church’s obligation to do something about that. One of the reason why Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire after only three centuries is because it took care of its own, something churches are rediscovering in wonderful ways today.
Now to another point that he makes:
Tithing is not the magic lottery-sty [sic] not the secret to success.
This gets us into the whole issue of prosperity. Unfortunately Dr. Kelly has chosen to engage a Palm Beacher in debate on this subject, so he’s in for a wild ride.
Prosperity is a relative term. Since he lives in a Mega Millions state (up here, we get the Powerball numbers, too) when I think of a "magic lottery," I’m thinking big. Given the grandiose way that prosperity resulting from giving is set forth, I’ve always felt that the resultant wealth from this should result in net worth comparable to the people I grew up with, and the influence on the society that goes with it. With very few exceptions, that hasn’t panned out. Part of the problem I discussed in my piece If You’re Going to Take the Land, Take It, but there are other good reasons as well.
For most Evangelical Christians, prosperity is a decidedly modest proposition–reasonable housing for the family, decent transportation and clothes, good health, etc. That’s what’s being promised, and is usually an integral part of the "redemption and lift" theology so common today. In addition to the lifestyle changes wrought by salvation in Jesus Christ, the financial aspects of this are twofold: supporting the work of the church (so that others can experience what you have) and not allowing the consumerist urge to overspend and go into debt to become de facto "idol worship." The main fault with the way most churches present stewardship is they dwell on the former to the exclusion of the latter, with the result that their members are so far in debt they’re unable to give. (I discussed the debt problem in my original post, but that’s another point that Dr. Kelly overlooked.)
Since we’re getting into depth of content issues, I need to present my challenge.
My Challenge to Dr. Kelly
I noted on his site that he likes to see his book reviewed. The list even includes the website of my current employer. If he wants make Positive Infinity another notch on his gun stock, my challenge is as follows:
- I will be glad to read and post a review of his book if and only if he commits on a public forum (his site or mine will do) that he will do the same for a book of mine, and do so by the end of this year.
- Once this agreement is made, we can exchange books. His is available online; I can email him a copy of mine. (Click here for the website for these books.)
- Again, before the year is out, once he has read my book, he must post a review on his site, whether he thinks the book is relevant to his idea or not. He must do this in a place where it can be found. In my case, I discuss just about anything, so that’s not a problem for my posting of the review of his book.
- This agreement must be made by the end of this month (November 2007.)
Let the games begin!
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The Backlash Against Tithing
As my church’s Finance Committee chairman, the article about The Backlash Against Tithing (also here) certainly hits home. It’s something I deal with all the time, especially at budget season.
At one time in evangelical churches, people tithed first and then gave offerings on top of that. Today people are more likely to mentally allocate so much to the church and then shuffle around what they give to various appeals. This can get exciting. If, for example, one is in a capital stewardship campaign, one sees large pledges on the one side and a drop in gifts designated as tithes and other offerings on the other, which then makes meeting operating expenses a challenge. Budgeting in this environment becomes a guessing game vis as vis the congregation, and this isn’t good for anyone.
What I think is going on is a confluence of trends in the Boomer generation.
The first is a general decline in a sense of community, which in turn leads to a decline in charitable giving. Much of the secular charitable giving is in reality a tax collected by NGO’s (enforced by our culture) to sponsor the same kinds of projects that governments do. If we ever get into a tax increase mode, we’ll see that decline too.
The second is the decline of participation by church members in the direction of the church. Boomer pastors frequently have a Gothard-man, top-down idea of their role, with them casting visions (which they represent are from God) and everyone else following their "inerrant" lead. It never occurs to anyone that true leadership in the church is tapping into the God-endowed giftedness of the congregation (a concept that the New Testament supports) that just might include some good ideas for the course of the church. This is one reason why men in particular struggle with church: they earn the money, why can’t they have a say in how its spent? So the giving declines.
The third follows from the second: too many churches have adopted a corporate model for ministry. This puts church on a "services rendered" basis, which appeals to people’s consumerism but in the long run wears down the whole concept of generosity. (BTW, don’t criticise your church for cash-generating activities like bookstores and coffee bars; if they help to support the ministry with your addiction to coffee, consider yourself doubly blessed.)
The fourth is the flip side of the third: churches don’t always run their business on a corporate model. This is most visible in building projects. Boomers love grandiose building projects, and, as anyone knows, building programs are both the most thrilling and most stressful times in the life of a church. Churches need to adopt the corporate model here and look at facility utilisation on a more businesslike basis. (And, of course, there’s the business of the rowdies trying to impress everyone…)
To try to reverse this trend, churches could start by being more transparent with their membership with how and why they allocate their funds the way they do and not be so defensive when criticism comes up. Beyond that, churches need to recognise that stewardship is more than a code word for increased giving: it’s a two-way street. The people of God exercise responsible stewardship by giving of the resources that God has given them and the church responds by allocating those resources in a responsible and transparent way. The latter would also be an encouragement to the membership, since we are in a culture that encourages debt-laden indulgence. As I always like to say, "You can’t outgive God, but you can outspend Him!"
As far as the concept of tithing itself is concerned, I said my peace back in March:
Evangelical churches have been criticised for their obsession with tithing and giving. People say that "tithing is Old Testament." But the above scripture (about selling all) shows what the New Testament standard might look like. In this perspective 10% is the easy way out.
As an additional observation, the local church that’s not worth tithing to isn’t worth belonging to.
Finally, I was amused by the following line in the article:
The tithe has been the Episcopal Church’s "minimum standard" since 1982, although the average annual gift from its 2.3 million members in 2006 reached only $1,718, less than the 10% requirement, according to its own figures.
The Episcopal Church I grew up in considered it in bad taste to demand its members to tithe, although it always kept the offering plate and mite box in front of its parishioners, as I reminded everyone yesterday. But by the time it adopted this standard, TEC had already lost many members, and necessity is the mother of invention.
